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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | TO JAB OR NOT TO JAB – It seems to me that the pharmaceutical industries are the driving force behind the present health-scare, proudly announced by the mass media as by now – end of July 2009 – having reached ‘Pandemic’ proportions. Having become far too powerful and influential for their own good, they irresponsible created this monstrosity and the mass media did the rest by systematically whipping people into an all-time frenzy of fear. Not surprisingly, the pace accelerated at the beginning of what has traditionally always been considered to be the ‘silly season’ by the media people. As the outbreak of the Bird Flu of recent years revealed in smaller measure, the pharmaceutical industry and the mass media do not hesitate to ruthlessly join forces to manipulate the mass of people when business worth billions of Pounds/Dollars/Euros are at stake. That is too great a temptation to resist. How appropriate is the name of the present outbreak when many of those in charge of our world, in all different walks of life, are behaving like – it has to be spelled out – swine at the trough? Being on the healer’s pathway, i.e. of ever increasing spiritual awareness requires that we live in accordance with the knowledge we are finding. So, how do we react to this latest crisis and what is the best way of dealing with it? Let us approach the matter by looking into its background, in the hope of finding a better understanding of the forces behind this latest scare. First of all it is comforting to know that the Swine flu virus is no stronger than that of the common flu strain and that, if one does not wish to catch the Swine Flu, the vaccination should be avoided. To keep us safe from contracting it from our fellow citizens, we need to remind ourselves that thought is the most powerful force in the whole of Creation; that at all times, with the help of our thoughts, each one of us creates their own reality; and that negative thinking of any kind attracts to us the very conditions we wish to avoid. Recommended Reading: Dr. Mercola has a mission to bring people practical solutions to their health problems. A New York Times Best Selling Author, he is the author of the ‘No-Grain Diet’ and ‘Take Control of Your Health’. He has also been featured in TIME magazine, LA Times, CNN, Fox News, ABC News with Peter Jennings, Today Show and other major media resources. POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE STREAMS OF THOUGHT Two streams of thought flow through all life; into this all our thoughts are constantly feeding. There is a positive and constructive current and a negative and destructive one. The positive one is part of the white healing magic, while the negative one is aligned to the forces of black magic. The dark force is not inherently evil; nothing in God’s Creation is. It merely represents the required natural balance to the positive and creative forces of light. But, whenever this force is used by individuals and organisations on the Earth plane in selfish pursuit of personal gains and power, it turns into an evil one. The Universal laws in their great wisdom ensure that in the fullness of time the deeds that were achieved with the help of this force rebound on anyone who employs it. There is no point in trying to fight evil with more of the same. Two wrongs never did make one right, and one plus one can only make two, never zero. It stands to reason that the only way to get to the zero of neutralising situations like these is by taking away from the power of the one. Adding one evil to another just adds to the strength of the force of the energies that were generated by the first offence. To my mind, all negative situations in our world benefit from being lifted into the light of the Highest. Requesting that God’s will should be done, it is good and right for us to ask God and the Angels that the conflicts and the energies created by them should be absorbed into Its radiance, to be uplifted and transmuted into blessing and healing energies for all life. From the mass media the scrupulous pharmaceutical industries are getting the kind of support they would probably not have dared to hope for in their wildest dreams. Both agencies together are shamelessly taking advantage of an ever more fearful public round the globe. Unaware of the fact that they are responsible for the monster they are creating and unleashing, ever more fuel is added to a fire that is already blazing so furiously that the danger of it getting completely out of control must be great. If those who take part in this knew of their responsibilities and the consequences their actions eventually must have, would they see the light and mend their ways? As every soul at some stage of its development has to take part in the experiences of the dark and the light forces, both at the giving and the receiving end, there is no need to sit in judgement over anyone. Instead, let us count our blessings that we have already woken up and are working on the positive and constructive side of life. So, what can we, as individuals, sensibly do to counteract all this negativity? Most of all by keeping our cool and not allowing ourselves to be dragged into it by anything. Every small effort we make to remain firmly in the positive thought flow counts. It is greatly appreciated by the higher and Highest forces, who are all around us and working with us and through us. This can be effectively supported by positive affirmations like: ‘We and our world rest safely in the loving hands of God and the Angels.’ Speak the words out loud! Be creative and make up sentences that really appeal to you and whose positivity you can feel vibrating through your whole being, each time you send them out into the Universe. Whenever we indulge ourselves in negative thinking, the law of attraction takes effect and brings us exactly that which we do NOT wish to create. Most of all, refuse to worry about this particular flu or any other. Trusting that all will be well and that all life rests safely in the loving hands of the Universe, who with the help of this wants us to see the matter more clearly, is the best insurance policy anyone can have against catching it. THE MASS OF PEOPLE RULED BY CANCER Did you know that the mass of people is ruled by the Sun sign Cancer? This sign represents the soul of the people and like the soulful individuals born into this sign, the mass of people is extremely soft, sensitive and pliable, highly psychic and easily impressed and swayed by just about anything. Like Cancerians, in times of crises like the present one, when there is increased vulnerability to the negative thinking and feelings floating around in the mass consciousness, we benefit greatly from extra careful psychic protection. Recommended Reading: ‘Psychic Protection’ The following is an extract from my interpretation of the Sun in Cancer: ‘If you get the chance of watching the behaviour of a crowd, you will able to recognise how easily it can be reached through the emotions and how – like individual human souls who are spending their present lifetime in Cancer – it is all too easily swayed by just about any impression. For good and for evil, this has always has been exploited by humankind. Orators and dictators down the ages have used it to manipulate, rule and control the mob. It worked and all we can do is speculate whether or not they were consciously or unconsciously aware of what they were doing. One cannot help wondering how aware they were that the masses can be influenced because on the inner level and in the vast ocean of life we are all one. ‘The emotions are a body of water and water must be allowed to find its own way by flowing wherever it will, which is where it encounters least resistance. At its weakest point any dam will break and bring the whole structure down. In the same way, one person in a crowd going into hysterics, especially the one at the front, can set the whole multitude on fire and carry it with it, if need be into destruction. Emotionally and psychically we are all part of the great ocean of life and also of each other. Each one of us is a unique stream of consciousness in its own right that is nurtured by the ocean and in turn constantly feeds its learning back into the ocean. ‘Within this ocean, our whole world is one group soul with a common karmic past, present, future and destination. Contained in that, each nation is one group with its own karma; and within that again, each one of us is an individual soul that has its special karmic pathway to walk. Everything that feeds into the great ocean has an influence on it and everything it contains. This shows the importance of learning to control our thought processes and of feeding nothing but positive and loving thoughts into the collective consciousness, because spiritually nothing is ever wasted. Whenever one of us insists on looking for the good in every experience, situation and person, we are making a small contribution to our role as saviour and redeemer of ourselves and our world. ‘Under the guidance and protection of God and the Angels, we are all in this life to learn how to consciously influence the mass of people in positive ways that serve the highest good of our whole world. Consciously attuning ourselves in prayers and meditations to the outpourings of the energies of the Universal Christ, not only at this special time of the year but always, has never been a privilege for the selected few. The time has come in the evolution of our race that each one of us is required to make their contribution towards increasing the power of the blessing and healing energies of the Christ that are now pouring ever more strongly into us and our world. ‘Our oneness in the great ocean also sheds some light onto outbreaks of mass hysteria. To my mind, one of the most striking examples of this in recent years – apart from the present Swine Flu one – was the reaction of the British public to the death of Diana Princess of Wales, a Sun Cancerian. This connected her, the same as all other souls born into this sign, deeply with the mass of people. Last but not least, Louise L. Hay in her book ‘Heal your Body’ says about ‘Influenza: A response to mass negativity and beliefs. Fear. Belief in statistics’. She suggests the following affirmation to neutralize its effects: ‘I am beyond group beliefs or the calendar. I am free from all congestion and influence.’ Recommended Reading: With love and light, Edited by Aquarius 7/31/2009 7:54 AM | ||
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Student Posts: 178 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: North Georgia | Greetings Aquarius! Thank you for all the wonderful info. Personally I am one of those 'crazy people' who choose NOT to vaccinate. We are lucky to have four very strong and healthy children, ages 14-20. Other than the chicken pox (before a vaccine for that was available), they have not contracted anything other than the common cold. About 1994, I was fortunate to have been given a wonder book, Immunization, the Reality Behind the Myth by Walene James back when my daughter was just about to turn 2. The daughter of a friend of mine got really sick (and has health issues to this day) and almost died of complications from one of the 'live' vaccines. This same vaccine was found a few years later to be very harmful and was pulled from the shelves. I had always felt that way and could remember getting really sick after my immunizations when I was young and how I always dreaded them. Something in me felt this was not the course of action I needed to take with my children and this book helped me to become informed and able to stand up for what I believed was true for me. It was wonderful that there was someone out there that felt the same way that I did. Not discussing the topic as frequently anymore, since my children are not in that age frame any longer, my literally dropped when Jenny McCartney and Jim Carey were on discussing the vaccinations. I believe they said that children are receiving 21 immunizations (21 different dis-eases) before the age of 2 now! Many of which have horrible possible side effects. The fact that we (as a country) require DOUBLE the immunizations of other countries was just as equally shocking. The feeling I get about the swine flu is that it was possible for our pharmaceutical companies to have created this strain and quite possibly it actually was conceived in the lab and given as a vaccine this past spring. I am not a Dr. or a lab tech, but that is just my feelings on in. Maybe, for some, immunizations are the correct course of action. But I am glad we have the choice. | ||
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Student Posts: 1292 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hello.....other than I agree with H20ius.....the scenario is even worse than you can imagine. Your "health care providers" are mandated to provide you with as little as possible, in the name of economy and profit. Until it comes to popular drugs! I have PERSONAL knowledge of the controversy over acetaminophen, and how desperately certain companies did not want the intrinsic dangers of prolonged or overdosed usage of this commonly used drug to be known. Figure it out...it has a popular name.... It is illegal to advertise ciggies and liquor on our (USA) teewee, yet drug companies can advertise all kinds of ridiculous drugs for symtomology that may or may not be valid for what the drug treats. AND, as Aqualung aptly points out, the drug companies minimize the contraindications, as they call it. In other words, they don't have to emphasize how what you are taking to cure you may also KILL you. How come they don't let "ChickenBone" advertise his position on the corner of US1 and 198...selling some good time trippy drugs, on tee-vee. Yet, they let MegaBioHumaEratta Conglomerate advertise their little purple pills to stop untoward and potentially embarrassing flatullance, even though these little purple pills can cause immediate gout, tickling, and fits of uncontrollable eyebrow raising........and yeah.....in the fine print, can cause heart attack and death. Many of you in the USA feel very differently than I do...but I am paying taxes so that the FDA PROTECTS me from this...I am not paying taxes for complicity in hurting people in the name of laissez-faire business. Nor am I paying taxes for the government (ME) to strike devilish bargains with drug companies. In my view, healers need to band together and stop this nonsense. It has gone way to far....and I see, in history, where this is going; not a pleasant place! Peace and Perplexion, Marty and Puzzled Cats, Luck, Popp and confused Sissy | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Thank you, dear Katrina and Marty, for your feedback; it is very much appreciated. Those who are familiar with my work know that increasing public awareness is its only aim. As explained in ‘The Effects of Pluto in Capricorn’, we live in times when nothing remains hidden from public view for very long. The scandals that are revealed everywhere are ample proof of this. No-one has the right, in my view, to pull the wool over our eyes and get away with it. I am willing to do all that is in my power to prevent these things. Let the pens of those who have been granted the gift of writing be mightier than the sword. May the living spirit within guide us to use them as swords of truth that cut through the layers of deception, to revel the true intentions of those behind the scenario. The only gain I hope to find is that someone ‘out there’ – hopefully more and more of them – can be helped to look through all creeping manifestations of evil, to enable them by giving a loud and clear ‘No!’ to join the ranks of those who prefer to work with the forces of light. The pharmaceutical industry is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, if ever there was one. Tamiful is the name of the serum against Swine Flu. It is the baby of La Roche Pharmaceutical Industries, Basel, Switzerland, a company in which D.R. owns a great stake. The serum against swine flu was originally developed in New Zealand as a serum against bird flu, which also turned out to be ineffective. At the time of the bird flu scare, La Roche bought the license to produce it under the name Tamiflu. Ever since, La Roche has been sitting on vast quantities of this serum and great stock piles of it also existed in the USA. And then someone came up with the brilliant idea of marketing this product against swine flu. Roche stated that the US is their prime target, with fifty million shots sold at one billion dollars last week. Stock holders are thrilled. That none of these so called flu shots have been tested does not seem to matter to anyone. You don’t fuss in the middle of a world Pandemic! Created by whom? Doctors who have spoken up, for example one in Austria, against mandatory shots can be viewed on u-tube. If you catch a cold at this particular time, don’t react with: ‘I’ve caught the swine flu!’ Stay calm and reassure you that it’s just a cold. If it’s a severe one, the type everybody gets from time to time, most important of all, refuse to go into fear mode. Treat it as you would any cold, stay at home, drink plenty of fluids and rest, until you feel better. No matter what happens, refuse the jab. It will give you the flu for sure. The whole swine flu affair is all about money; it has nothing to do with caring for the people of our world. Sad, but true! Yet, we are by no means helpless and no-one can force us to take part in this madness. By knowing that this too rests safely in the hands of God and the Angels, we choose hope and trust instead of fear into our world. This projects positive and loving thought vibrations into the pool of collective consciousness and we do our share of helping the mass hysteria to die down again. That we owe to ourselves, each other and our whole world, who has deserved something much better, don’t you think? With love and light, | ||
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Alumni Posts: 3751 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | These themes are what were behind my articles, both cited in the 'publications' thread, in "Light" then developed in "The Ecological Imagination": regarding the connections/dislocations, between humanity and nature. I kind of feel/advise, that, without clearer evidence, unless it is cited here, that we ought to refrain from naming individuals: not only with regards to 'right of reply', but also, with due respect to jurisprudence. ie, let us not forget that this site is here for personal reflection, shared collegiality, and that whatever is said is open to debate, congeniality, a matter of mere opinion, untested by peer review, academic reference, or any other toward, or untoward veracity, verisimilitude and some such: whereas, other sites and situations, have undergone blind trials, testing, etc etc: and the Gospels continue to tell us that Our Gracious Lord Jesus Christ made a pasge from the dust of the roadside and his spittle, whereby the sight of the blind man was restored Hence the singular religiosity of this site, that claims nothing of scientific veracity, except the Heart x Edited by Paul Joseph 8/2/2009 4:10 PM | ||
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![]() Moderator Posts: 83 ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Mental Egypt | Hello Aquarius... Thank you for sharing these things, however, if you pulled this info off another website, please do list the website source. If not, I do believe some sort of source needs to be listed, so people know where you got your info, or opinion due to names being listed. We all know that UMS is "not" responsible to what is being said here on the forums, but...Being a UMS forum; it's important to share sources, so people understand this is not just your own opinion, but you learned this information from another source. If it is just your opinion, please do say that as a non-factual statement. Thank you so much for understanding, as I know you are such a loving and caring person. I do agree and I personally do not like pharmaceutical companies either, I feel they are hurting us all. As, it's a business.... some of it good, but getting to where it's now all about making money and control. Love and Light | ||
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Alumni Posts: 3751 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quite so and well put, old Egyptian; I, of course, meant 'paste', not,'pasge' | ||
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Alumni Posts: 946 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Arizona | All posts on this thread are taken here by me as a buncha caring and passionate and knowledgeable folks expressing stuff because we can, and Nef, I am sure your post is appreciated by all! I feel that there is a definite metaphysical take on this subject, and that is free will and choice, as well as considering the concept of the Divine Plan. I have mixed opinions on flu vaccines, but I am clear about the swine flu vaccine. My kids were always vaccinated against normal childhood stuff. Now my kids are questioning whether or not to vaccinate their kids. There is a mixed blessing/curse since the mid 90's at the start of the information super freaking highway. You have your far lefters, far righters, in betweeners, and off the mappers. I feel that it is too easy to just sort of jump on a band wagon. My daughter did some research cuz she has been affected by the Jenny McCarthy bug, and there may be truth in Jenny's work, as she swears by the results of no vaccine/dietary restrictions to decrease the symptoms of autism (I do admire her tenacity )..anyway my daughter dug and dug until she found negative stuff about vaccines, hence feeling justified. My point being, you can always find negative stuff about anything, no matter where you look. She found an article about the pharmaceutical companies making a profit by buying excess mercury and putting it in vaccines to prevent it from getting in the water supply!? I don't know where she saw this so obviously I do not know if there is truth to it. My son won't take so much as vitamin supplement because he feels the government makes them addictive, hence creating a continual profit by way of demand. Myself and as far as regular annual flu vaccines, as an RN it was sort of implied and expected that I would automatically take it. After 21 years being exposed to every illness and disease under the sun, I always waived it. I never ever had the flu. However with the swine flu being a pandemic and causing death all over the world, I have to consider it, just in terms of being prudent! To me, in weighing the pros and cons..the scale tips to pro. So I will be jabbed. As a side note, I heard on a talk radio show yesterday that since the Quran prohibits the consumption of alcohol..Muslim countries are refusing the vaccine because of the alcohol swab. I am sure that the effectiveness of the vaccine as a whole and globally would be more effective if everyone received it. That of course, will never happen. Hence, the potentiality of more resistant strains in subsequent years is inevitable...but what do I know? Maybe this is where the big Divine plan collides with free will...to create even more deadly strains of this already fatal virus. Great thread..! Peace to yas | ||
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![]() Alumni Posts: 1297 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: NE Ohio | Hi all, I was one of those that actually have the big scar on my left upper arm, from the air gun vaccine they gave me as a child. All my kids were given the normal vaccines, but I am now thinking NO! Evertime I get that flu shot, I get sick as heck. When I don't get it, I don't get sick at all and chances are, if I do get a little cold, it barely lasts. So I am against the flu shots. I watched my grandma get her last flu shot, which turned into a flu, which then turned into pneumonia, which caused her to pass out, hit her head. Two months later, DEAD! Now... can we prove the flu shot started it all? NO! but... can we prove it didn't? How about this: Lets add some politics on this matter, after all.... that IS what it IS! Page 425 of new Health Care Bill - Listen to this interview Fred Thompson's Radio Show interviewing Betsy McCaughey (pronounced Mc Coy). Or look it up on http://www.fredthompsonshow.com/, under interviews. On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option. "ON PAGE 425 OF NEW HEALTH CARE BILL, the US Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!" So... is this swine flu problem just the start of trying to get rid of the population, to cut costs? You be the judge..... | ||
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Alumni Posts: 3751 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Interesting re: suicide, since its legalisation, under certain circumstances has just been approved over here in the UK. That did raise some concerns for me, along the lines suggested by Jillifer ...ie. where will it all end ? | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | ‘The pharmaceutical industry is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, if ever there was one. Tamiful is the name of the serum against Swine Flu. It is the baby of La Roche Pharmaceutical Industries, Basel, Switzerland, a company in which Donald Rumsfeld owns a great stake. The serum against swine flu was originally developed in New Zealand as a serum against bird flu, which also turned out to be ineffective. At the time of the bird flu scare, La Roche bought the licence to produce it under the name Tamiflu. Ever since, La Roche has been sitting on vast quantities of this serum and great stock piles of it also existed in the USA. And then someone came up with the brilliant idea of marketing this product against swine flu. ‘Roche stated that the US is their prime target, with fifty million shots sold at one billion dollars last week. Stock holders are thrilled. That none of these so called flu shots have been tested does not seem to matter to anyone. You don’t fuss in the middle of a world Pandemic! Created by whom? Doctors who have spoken up, for example one in Austria, against mandatory shots can be viewed on u-tube.’ Dear Friends – thank you for your feedback; all points were duly noted. The above information was not – as one of you put it – pulled off a website, but given by a friend who lives in Basel, Switzerland, the home of La Roche. Otherwise I would not have included it. However, I do take your points and apologise for having transgressed by including this information. If it was possible to edit my posting, I would take it out myself. I wonder whether one of the moderators might be willing to do this, on my behalf. Many thanks for that in advance. With love and light, | ||
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![]() Alumni Posts: 1297 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: NE Ohio | Everyone should be able to edit their own posts. It's other people's posts that one cannot edit. I think it's fine, since you explained how you got your info.... and if those names are given on youtube, then don't worry about it. I will try to edit for you and keep it down to just initials, if I can. Blessings~ | ||
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![]() Alumni Posts: 1297 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: NE Ohio | I hear ya, and I am 100% against flu shots. I am not against all shots.... after all I am glad I got my Hep B shots, due to my previous career when I worked with blood. I do believe there are good (tested) shots. But I won't let my kids get gardasil either (not sure on spelling). Swine Flu is not anything worse than any other strong flu.... They are purposely making it out to be something more than what it is.... It's about money... nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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| Elite Veteran Posts: 811 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | i agree totaly with all you have said,aquarius,one of the biggest cons is the pharmacutical companies.This swine flu is a puzzle to me,it is said to be made up of bird,swine,and another i,ve forgotten,seems like a man made mixture to me,and ther is loads more out there ready to come,under different frightening names no doubt.The news on telly loves to sensasionalize a story,and make it huge,so we are all glued to our screens,in panic,then just as quickly,it goes.I think drugs companies,food chains etc,have something to do with al the scares,and a way to make money.Any drug wether prescribed or over the counter,are addictive,just as food,etc,what gets me is,the doctor prescribes say painkillers on a long term basis,the patient gets hooked,and finds it hard to get help with the withdrawal symtoms.I also acknowledge that some inventions are a godsend and save lives,but painkillers,and other medications such as antibiotics are given out like sweets,with antibiotics,the more given to the patient,the less their immune system learns to cope in its natural way,my 12 yr oold niece was given them for spots,for a very long time,on repeat,this i find irresponsible. To me i think a lot of the mystery ilnesses evolving,are no mystery,but well planned,for a purpose,this is my opinion of course,but i fear no come back,sticks and stones,irisx | ||
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Student Posts: 178 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: North Georgia | I may be mistaken, but aren't the vaccines ususally made of a bit of the virus they are trying to ward off? Doesn't it make since that if they keep trying to make the vaccine's stronger than the virus they are vaccinating against - they have to alter it in some way for the formula for the vaccine - thereby creating a man-made strain of the virus that is stronger than the existing one? Along this thought pattern, would it be completely out of the question to think that maybe the pharm. companies who created last seasons vaccines, could be responsible for this 'Swine Flu' as a side effect/after effect of their vaccine? Just a thought. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Jill and Sunflower – thank you both for your understanding and your kind and loving support; it is very much appreciated. Like you, Jill, I refuse to partake in any flu jabs. It may interest you that in reply to my reflections on the outbreak of the Bird Flu several years ago, one of my American friends wrote: ‘Here it is again, the constant cause and effect! What humanity does will always reflect in the animals, sea life, soil, and even the atmosphere. [As we now know, everything we do on this planet does not only affect those, but also the whole of Creation.] There are always good people fighting bureaucracy to dispose of our waste in better ways, and we have to send them the strength to do their best. ‘This bird flu thing though, from everything that we are finding out about it, is nothing but a ploy to sell the ineffective serums that the pharmaceutical companies have too much of. Everything that has been written by doctors and those who know this kind of stuff, say that the serums could even give us the flu, and not necessarily the bird kind. This bird flu hasn’t even got to the point of infecting people to people! It is interesting that the patent for the serums is held by our own ‘Rumsfield’! Hmmm…’ These comments open up yet another perspective of the bird flu outbreak. The points made do by no means invalidate the contents of the message from Mother Earth, through the animal kingdom, and the urgency of its cry for help for our bird population in particular. The bird flu to me undoubtedly is all of that! Intuitively, I sense its cry as a high pitched scream. I believe that, unless we finally get our act together and our whole world co-operates in an almighty effort that brings relief to all parts of the animal kingdom, some kind of a natural disaster in the form of a life-threatening disease to humankind may indeed one day come our way. As nothing happens outside the will of God, if we fail to pay sufficient attention to this and mend our ways of dealing with the animals, it may one day be decreed that we should be taught a special lesson that will never be forgot. Should that ever be the case, no serum will be developed in the whole wide world that can protect us. Where does anyone think the ideas for this type of work, as well as any other earthly effort, has its origin, if not in God? ‘Thy power throughout the Universe displayed!’ Issues like these to me are just as awesome – maybe even more so – a display of God’s power as standing before and admiring the magnificence of the created world in a glorious sunrise and sunset; the majesty of a mountain range; a mighty river; a roaring waterfall; or the splendour of natural spectacles like thunderstorms. Considering who alone has the power to create all this, one cannot help thinking and feeling: ‘How great Thou art! The way I see it, my article and my friend’s response to it were prompted by our Highest Self, in whom we are all one. After all, God works through us and speaks to our world through us. The fact that La Roche claim to have developed an effective serum against bird flu, which is in fact nothing of the kind, in itself is sufficient proof to me that this matter – like everything else – rests safely in the hands of God and the Angels. They love Mother Earth and all her kingdoms, including the human one, in equal measure. To me, cries for help from the animal kingdom, like an outbreak of bird flu and in the year 2009 swine flu, are real and very serious ones indeed. Ignoring their messages means sticking our heads into the sand, in the hope that it will all go away on its own. And that would be nothing short of living in a fool’s paradise. To me, the notes about the dud serum add to the warning note of the alarm bells that are ringing loudly. They take nothing away from or invalidate any part of the significance of Mother Earth’s cry for help to humankind – quite the opposite! In my view, such information considerably increases its urgency. Serums against ordinary flu have been available for many a moon by now. I had suspected for a very long time that they are ineffective and that in some cases they could even be harmful. That is why I do not take part in the usual vaccinations recommended by the medical profession, at the beginning of each winter, in spite of the fact that mine would cost me nothing. To find out for myself what it was all about, I had a go one year. It did not feel at all right to have something of this nature forced into my body. The experience was not repeated because my inner guidance told me: ‘This is not for you!’ As I had been wondering once in a while whether I was doing the right thing, it was comforting to read my friend’s notes that confirmed I was doing the right thing. So you can be comforted in like manner is the reason for sharing them with you here. From ‘Bird Flu & Swine Flu – is the Animal Kingdom striking back?’ With love and light, | ||
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Student Posts: 178 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: North Georgia | I may be mistaken, but aren't the vaccines ususally made of a bit of the virus they are trying to ward off? Doesn't it make since that if they keep trying to make the vaccine's stronger than the virus they are vaccinating against - they have to alter it in some way for the formula for the vaccine - thereby creating a man-made strain of the virus that is stronger than the existing one? Along this thought pattern, would it be completely out of the question to think that maybe the pharm. companies who created last seasons vaccines, could be responsible for this 'Swine Flu' as a side effect/after effect of their vaccine? | ||
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Student Posts: 1292 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hello Etkaterina and all: "Vaccines" (and I am using the term losely,here) are made many different ways. I tend to favor those that come from botanicals. You recognize a problem, then you find a plant that wards off or protects you from such problem. One of my personal idols, St. Hildegard von Bingen, studied this and (with divine inspiration and guidance...after all she was "true" Roman Catholic) wrote a book around 1150-1159 (Physica) to emphasize the gifts that are around us....if and when we learn to use them properly. I think Aqua touched on this theme in what she wrote. I understand the "rush to condemnation" of pharmaceutical companies. All I can say is that some have quite honestly helped people in immeasurable ways. Rubella and Poliomitis are virtually eradicated. But, I have also seen, first hand, the greed of such companies....to the extent that profit is placed before prudence. Then again, I also see that this is why some of us geographically placed here (USA), have a body of people in place by our consent, to oversee these matters and make determinations for the public good....the good which is defined by OUR will...as we created, elected, and support via tax dollars this entire system. But, alas, we have been remiss and let our servants become our masters. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration for my foreign friends) is our watchdog....we must take the FDA to task and demand that it does what it is supposed to do! We must stop saying that the government is separate from us and alien to us....and recognize, as our forebears did, that our government IS US! Then, the will of the people might be done. Peace and Purrs, Marty and Lucky, Poppy and Sissy | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Thank you, dear Marty; wise words, well spoken. With love - Aquarius | ||
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Alumni Posts: 3751 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Struggling here; 'cos if this world is illusory, why does any of this matter very much? As for jabs, the 'Tamiflu' stuff I have seen are in tablet form. Not that any of it has troubled me much, except in my professional capacity where we as public servants are obliged to have in place 'Pandemic Plans': And if we do not, we will be sued. Keep breathing x | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Paul – I believe that it matters a great deal what we do in this world – in spite of it being illusory, it’s real enough when we are here and have to deal with it, methinks. This is the place where Karma is created and also where it has to be made good, by none other than us. Dear Marty – the following has just been added to my article about the Swine Flu. Thank you for providing me with the inspiration for it: Many branches of the pharmaceutical industry in the past undoubtedly have been among the great benefactors or humankind. Yet, it seems to me that the deeper our world sinks into the experience of materialism and the stronger the greed element rises to the surface of life, the more some parts of this industry are turning into wolves in sheep’s clothing. This is particularly noticeable with regard to vaccinations against all types of influenza. The first one developed was against the common flu, the second one the Bird Flu and the most recent one the Swine Flu. With love and light, | ||
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Alumni Posts: 3751 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Yet though dear Aquarius was it not you who posted on another thread that, the Divine would not permit the reins of the universe to slip? That presupposes some Divine plan for intervention, despite ourselves. Which is why I queried it at the time. I query this thread now for two reasons, one is, the legal 'right of reply' where individuals are named. The second is, that the Tamiflu antidote here in the UK anyway, is a tablet, not a jab. I am not, I have to say, in dispute with some of the themes: as the papers cited earlier would show, I agree that our existence on this planet, overall, has emerged as a war on Gaia/Diana, call her what we will. I agree too that, it is only through love, of self, one another and the earth, that the Eternal Return might recur. But those responses do not presuppose that any of us will get anywhere if we set up 'straw men', that can then be burnt down so easily through the imagined presuppositions with which we then light their funeral pyres. Everything is us and we are Everything | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | ‘But those responses do not presuppose that any of us will get anywhere if we set up 'straw men', that can then be burnt down so easily through the imagined presuppositions with which we then light their funeral pyres.’ Dear Paul – yes, I do believe that the reigns of our world and all worlds are resting safely in the hands of the Highest. I also believe that the current difficult situation of our world, including the Swine Flu scare, are integral and important parts of the learning process of our world. My inner and Highest Self has written the article about it through me and, in the capacity of being its channel, I have presented it to the world, including this Message Board. It has never been my intention to either set up ‘straw men’ or to burn them or any other effigies. I had hoped that you were one of those who know me well enough by now to appreciate that that simply wouldn’t be my style. With love and light, | ||
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Student Posts: 64 ![]() ![]() Location: South Central Wisconsin | I feel everyone should always give great consideration to tampering with nature. She has in place our immune response developed for hundreds of thousands of years. I immunize my children. They do not get the flu shot. Everyone must choose and give due consideration to these options. Keeping the right to choose should remain in the individuals hands, not the government. Information should be mandatory, not the shots. Marsha Z | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 364 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | How right you are, dear Marsha. With love - Aquarius | ||
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To jab or not to jab - Reflections on the Swine Flu